Andaleep (IRE)
Owner: Mr James Finch Trainer: D & C Kubler Sex: colt Age: 8
Breeding: Siyouni / Oriental Magic (Doyen)
Form Summary
GoingView detailed form hide detailed form |
Starts | Wins | 2nds | 3rds |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Good | 8 | 1 | 2 | |
| Good (Good to Firm in places) | 9 | 2 | 1 | 2 |
| Good (Good to soft in places) | 5 | 2 | ||
| Good (Good to Soft in plaes) | 1 | |||
| Good to Firm | 8 | 2 | 3 | 1 |
| Good to Firm (Firm in places) | 3 | 1 | 1 | |
| Good to Firm (Good in places) | 5 | 1 | 1 | |
| Good to Firm (Watered) | 1 | |||
| Good to Soft | 4 | 1 | ||
| Good to Soft (Good in places) | 6 | 1 | ||
| Soft | 2 | |||
| Soft (Good to Soft in places) | 1 | |||
| Standard | 16 | 2 | 1 | 3 |
| Standard / Slow | 15 | 3 | 1 | |
| Totals | 84 | 13 | 9 | 10 |
Race History
| Date | Course | Going | Distance | Class | Race Winner | Weight | Position | Jockey | SP |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 21 Nov 2024 | Southwell | Standard | 1m 4f 14y | 2 | Dark Moon Rising | 9st 3lbs | 6 of 9 | R Kingscote | 7/1 |
| chased leaders, ridden over 1f out, weakened inside final furlong | |||||||||
| 04 Nov 2024 | Kempton | Standard / Slow | 1m 2f 219y | 2 | The Glen Rovers | 9st 12lbs | 2 of 14 | R Kingscote | 16/1 |
| broke well, chased leaders, ridden over 2f out, carried left and challenged over 1f out, hung right and led narrowly inside final furlong, headed towards finish | |||||||||
| 28 Sep 2024 | Newmarket | Soft | 1m 1f | 2 | Liberty Lane | 8st 13lbs | 5 of 31 | M Barzalona | 66/1 |
| in touch in mid-division far side, headway over 1f out, went 5th inside final furlong, not trouble leaders | |||||||||
| 24 Aug 2024 | York | Good to Firm (Good in places) | 1m 2f 56y | 2 | Sir Busker | 9st | 15 of 17 | R Kingscote | 16/1 |
| in touch behind leaders, ridden over 3f out, kept on same pace 2f out, faded over 1f out | |||||||||
| 15 Aug 2024 | Windsor | Good to Firm | 1m 2f | 2 | Parlando | 9st | 2 of 9 | R Kingscote | 11/2 |
| mid-division, headway over 2f out, close up 1f out, stayed on, went 2nd towards finish | |||||||||
| 01 Aug 2024 | Wolverhampton | Standard | 1m 1f 104y | 3 | Bint Al Daar | 9st 13lbs | 2 of 12 | R Kingscote | 8/1 |
| tracked leader after 1f, ridden to lead inside final furlong, headed towards finish | |||||||||
| 25 Jul 2024 | Yarmouth | Good to Firm | 1m 2f 23y | 2 | Rathgar | 9st 5lbs | 2 of 12 | S De Sousa | 12/1 |
| held up, ridden and headway inside final furlong, ran on, not reach winner | |||||||||
| 13 Jul 2024 | Newmarket | Good | 1m 4f | 3 | Lord Of Love | 10st 3lbs | 9 of 11 | W Buick | 17/2 |
| tracked leaders out wide, pushed along 3f out, unbalanced and weakened final 2f, hung left and raced awkwardly after | |||||||||
| 01 Jul 2024 | Windsor | Good to Firm | 1m 2f | 3 | Andaleep | 9st 12lbs | 1 of 7 | Tom Marquand | 6/1 |
| held up towards rear, headway over 2f out, went 2nd over 1f out, led inside final furlong, ran on | |||||||||
| 15 Jun 2024 | York | Good to Soft (Good in places) | 1m 3f 188y | 3 | Lord Melbourne | 10st 9lbs | 5 of 18 | Miss Brodie Hampson | 14/1 |
| held up, headway over 2f out, ridden and no impression final furlong | |||||||||
| 17 May 2024 | York | Good (Good to Firm in places) | 1m 2f 56y | 2 | Botanical | 9st 2lbs | 9 of 16 | W Buick | 12/1 |
| dwelt in rear, pushed along 2f out, never nearer | |||||||||
| 29 Mar 2024 | Lingfield | Standard | 1m 2f | 3 | Inspiritus | 9st 7lbs | 3 of 14 | Callum Hutchinson | 22/1 |
| held up, pushed along off pace over 2f out, stayed on strongly inside final furlong to grab 3rd, never nearer | |||||||||
| 10 Mar 2024 | Southwell | Standard | 1m 4f 14y | 3 | Valsad | 9st 10lbs | 3 of 13 | Callum Hutchinson | 12/1 |
| mid-division, headway over 1f out, disputing 2nd inside final furlong, stayed on, no impression on winner | |||||||||
| 24 Feb 2024 | Southwell | Standard | 1m 4f 14y | 3 | Andaleep | 9st 9lbs | 1 of 13 | Callum Hutchinson | 16/1 |
| midfield, ridden and headway 2f out, led 1f out, ran on well | |||||||||
| 31 Jan 2024 | Kempton | Standard / Slow | 1m 3f 219y | 4 | Mostly Sunny | 10st 6lbs | 5 of 9 | Rossa Ryan | 11/4 |
| held up towards rear, headway over 1f out, no impression, weakened inside final furlong | |||||||||
| 23 Jan 2024 | Southwell | Standard | 1m 3f 23y | 4 | Andaleep | 11st | 1 of 9 | Mr S Walker | 7/1 |
| tracked leaders, still going well over 2f out, ridden to press leader over 1f out, led 1f out, went clear inside final furlong, easily | |||||||||
| 03 Jan 2024 | Kempton | Standard / Slow | 1m 2f 219y | 4 | Liseo | 10st | 7 of 12 | Rossa Ryan | 9/2 |
| tracked leaders in 5th on inside, pushed along over 2f out, weakened final furlong | |||||||||
| 20 Nov 2023 | Kempton | Standard / Slow | 1m 7f 218y | 3 | Duke Of Oxford | 9st 11lbs | 12 of 14 | R Kingscote | 20/1 |
| raced wide held up, headway over 5f out, ridden and weakened over 1f out | |||||||||
| 06 Nov 2023 | Kempton | Standard / Slow | 1m 2f 219y | 2 | Max Mayhem | 8st 10lbs | 2 of 12 | R Kingscote | 16/1 |
| tracked leaders on inner, shaken up over 2f out, switched right around rivals over 1f out, stayed on strongly inside final furlong | |||||||||
| 27 Sep 2023 | Kempton | Standard / Slow | 1m 2f 219y | 3 | Humanity | 10st | 6 of 13 | J Mitchell | 22/1 |
| behind, late headway out wide, never going pace to get involved | |||||||||
| 02 Sep 2023 | Sandown | Good (Good to Soft in places) | 1m 1f 209y | 2 | Dual Identity | 9st 4lbs | 8 of 14 | R Kingscote | 14/1 |
| off the pace in mid-division on inside, weakened inside final 2f | |||||||||
| 12 Aug 2023 | Ascot | Good to Soft (Good in places) | 1m 3f 211y | 2 | Scampi | 9st 8lbs | 10 of 12 | L Morris | 18/1 |
| held up off the pace and always towards rear, tailed off | |||||||||
| 27 Jul 2023 | Yarmouth | Good to Soft | 1m 2f 23y | 2 | Cumulonimbus | 9st 3lbs | 4 of 13 | Marco Ghiani | 11/1 |
| midfield, ridden and headway 2f out, kept on final furlong | |||||||||
| 15 Jul 2023 | Newmarket | Good to Soft | 1m 4f | 3 | Davideo | 10st 2lbs | of 10 | Rossa Ryan | 0/0 |
| NonRunner | |||||||||
| 14 Jul 2023 | York | Good to Soft | 1m 2f 56y | 4 | Andaleep | 10st 3lbs | 1 of 13 | Rossa Ryan | 17/2 |
| held up, edged right in home straight, going well when went midfield before 2f out, pushed along 2f out, quickened up well when led 1f out, ran on strongly inside final 110 yards, hung slightly left when eased final strides, comfortably | |||||||||
| 23 Jun 2023 | Goodwood | Good (Good to Firm in places) | 1m 3f 218y | 4 | Vega Sicilia | 9st 9lbs | 2 of 7 | Rhys Clutterbuck | 8/1 |
| chased leaders, dropped to midfield after 1f, headway over 2f out, ridden to lead over 1f out, soon edged right, kept on well, headed final 75yds, went right final strides | |||||||||
| 29 May 2023 | Windsor | Good to Firm | 1m 2f | 3 | Peace Man | 9st 5lbs | 4 of 7 | R Kingscote | 5/1 |
| handy, ridden and edged right well over 1f out, ran on same pace | |||||||||
| 19 May 2023 | Newbury | Good (Good to Firm in Places) | 1m 2f | 3 | Mustazeed | 9st 7lbs | 3 of 20 | R Kingscote | 40/1 |
| mid-division, ridden over 2f out, kept on, not pace to challenge | |||||||||
| 17 Oct 2022 | Windsor | Soft (Good to Soft in places) | 1m 2f | 4 | Bearaway | 9st 11lbs | 6 of 11 | R Kingscote | 5/1 |
| held up in mid-division, headway out wide over 3f out, pushed along and outpaced soon after, weakened final furlong | |||||||||
| 10 Oct 2022 | Windsor | Good (Good to Soft in places) | 1m 2f | 4 | Andaleep | 10st 2lbs | 1 of 14 | J Mitchell | 5/1 |
| tracked leaders, pushed along to lead over 1f out, ridden clear | |||||||||
| 15 Sep 2022 | Newcastle | Standard | 1m 2f 42y | 3 | Tregony | 9st 9lbs | 12 of 14 | Daniel Muscutt | 14/1 |
| held up towards rear of mid-division, switched left pushed along over 2f out, no extra and faded inside final furlong | |||||||||
| 01 Sep 2022 | Windsor | Good (Good to Firm in places) | 1m 3f 99y | 3 | Wootton'sun | 9st 2lbs | 4 of 11 | S M Levey | 11/4 |
| raced wide in mid-division, headway inside final furlong, kept on but never going pace to reach leaders | |||||||||
| 21 Aug 2022 | Sandown | Good (Good to Firm in places) | 1m 1f 209y | 4 | Andaleep | 9st 7lbs | 1 of 17 | William Carver | 9/1 |
| front mid-division, pushed along and switched right 2f out, ridden and headway to press leaders over 1f out, led 1f out, stayed on well | |||||||||
| 10 Aug 2022 | Beverley | Good to Firm (Good in places) | 1m 1f 207y | 5 | Andaleep | 10st 7lbs | 1 of 8 | B A Curtis | 5/6 |
| close up, smooth headway over 2f out, led 2f out, pushed along over 1f out, kept on final furlong, comfortably | |||||||||
| 07 Aug 2022 | Windsor | Good to Firm | 1m 3f 99y | 5 | Andaleep | 11st 2lbs | 1 of 5 | Mr Henry Main | 11/8 |
| tracked leading pair, switched wide over 3f out, ridden to lead over 1f out, clear inside final furlong, eased close home | |||||||||
| 28 Jul 2022 | Epsom Downs | Good to Firm | 1m 2f 17y | 5 | Good Regal | 10st | 2 of 8 | William Cox | 4/1 |
| held up towards rear, headway over 2f out, hung left over 1f out, soon edged right, went 2nd inside final furlong, no impression on winner | |||||||||
| 20 Jul 2022 | Sandown | Good to Firm (Firm in places) | 1m 1f 209y | 5 | Pledge Of Honour | 9st 13lbs | 2 of 7 | William Cox | 9/2 |
| towards rear, ridden and headway on outside over 1f out, stayed on well to take 2nd near line | |||||||||
| 18 Jun 2022 | Haydock | Good (Good to Firm in places) | 1m 2f 42y | 5 | Definite | 10st 2lbs | 3 of 9 | Cieren Fallon | 4/1 |
| in touch, headway 3f out, ridden to chase winner 2f out, one pace and lost 2nd towards finish | |||||||||
| 05 Jun 2022 | Goodwood | Good (Good to Soft in places) | 1m 1f 197y | 5 | Andaleep | 9st 4lbs | 1 of 8 | David Egan | 15/2 |
| mid-division, pushed along and headway to press leader 2f out, ridden and led over 110 yards out, soon faced strong challenge, stayed on well, just held on | |||||||||
| 19 May 2022 | Wolverhampton | Standard | 1m 1f 104y | 4 | Precision Storm | 8st 8lbs | of 11 | Cam Hardie | 0/0 |
| NonRunner | |||||||||
| 01 May 2022 | Salisbury | Good to Firm | 6f 213y | 6 | Luna Magic | 11st 6lbs | 11 of 15 | Miss Roisin Leech | 33/1 |
| steadied and switched right start, held up and behind, never on terms | |||||||||
| 23 Apr 2022 | Sandown | Good | 2m 3f 173y | 2 | Samarrive | 10st | of 12 | Miss Roisin Leech | 0/0 |
| NonRunner | |||||||||
| 24 Jan 2022 | Kempton | Standard / Slow | 7f | 5 | Got No Dollars | 9st 7lbs | 11 of 14 | S W Kelly | 40/1 |
| always towards rear, never involved | |||||||||
| 15 Jan 2022 | Chelmsford City | Standard | 1m | 4 | Diderot | 8st 9lbs | 5 of 6 | S W Kelly | 28/1 |
| chased leaders, went 2nd over 6f out, led 2f out, headed over 1f out, weakened inside final furlong | |||||||||
| 03 Jan 2022 | Wolverhampton | Standard | 7f 36y | 4 | Global Warning | 8st 9lbs | 7 of 8 | William Cox | 50/1 |
| dwelt towards rear, pushed along 2f out, never on terms | |||||||||
| 20 Dec 2021 | Wolverhampton | Standard | 1m 1f 104y | 4 | Hector's Here | 9st 8lbs | 5 of 6 | George Rooke | 9/1 |
| chased leaders, ridden and close up over 1f out, no extra final 50 yards | |||||||||
| 29 Nov 2021 | Kempton | Standard / Slow | 1m | 3 | Chance | 8st 7lbs | 5 of 8 | George Rooke | 66/1 |
| towards rear, headway to chase leaders 2f out, soon ridden, no extra 1f out | |||||||||
| 01 Nov 2021 | Kempton | Standard / Slow | 1m 2f 219y | 2 | Marching Army | 8st 4lbs | 11 of 11 | David Egan | 33/1 |
| in rear, pushed along and weakened final 2f | |||||||||
| 19 Oct 2021 | Kempton | Standard / Slow | 1m 3f 219y | 4 | Bascule | 9st 7lbs | of 14 | Louis Steward | 0/0 |
| NonRunner | |||||||||
| 18 Oct 2021 | Bath | Good | 1m 2f 37y | 4 | Carp Kid | 9st | 11 of 14 | D C Costello | 11/1 |
| towards rear, pushed along 3f out, never on terms | |||||||||
| 29 Sep 2021 | Kempton | Standard / Slow | 1m 2f 219y | 3 | Pistoletto | 9st 3lbs | 5 of 13 | George Rooke | 16/1 |
| held up towards rear, headway out wide over 1f out, plugged on inside final furlong, never going pace to reach leaders | |||||||||
| 10 Sep 2021 | Sandown | Good | 1m 1f 209y | 4 | Lady Reset | 9st 8lbs | 3 of 9 | George Rooke | 14/1 |
| waited with towards rear, steady headway out wide 2f out, stayed on disputing 2nd final furlong, not pace to challenge, dropped to 3rd close home | |||||||||
| 22 Aug 2021 | Sandown | Good to Soft (Good in places) | 1m 1f 209y | 4 | Silver Gunn | 9st 5lbs | 15 of 17 | William Cox | 14/1 |
| mid-division, pushed along over 2f out, weakened 1f out | |||||||||
| 05 Aug 2021 | Sandown | Good (Good to Soft in places) | 1m 1f 209y | 4 | Bad Company | 10st 12lbs | 4 of 7 | B Roberts | 4/1 |
| towards rear, ridden and headway over 1f out, kept on one pace | |||||||||
| 22 Jul 2021 | Sandown | Good to Firm (Firm in places) | 1m 1f 209y | 4 | Andaleep | 8st 12lbs | 1 of 9 | George Rooke | 16/1 |
| held up in rear, steady headway out wide 2f out, went 2nd over 1f out, strong run to lead inside final furlong, stayed on well | |||||||||
| 01 Jul 2021 | Epsom Downs | Good to Soft (Good in places) | 1m 4f 6y | 4 | Tralee Hills | 10st 5lbs | 5 of 10 | Miss Sophie Smith | 25/1 |
| held up towards rear, headway on inside over 2f out, weakened inside final furlong | |||||||||
| 11 Jun 2021 | Sandown | Good (Good to Firm in places) | 1m 1f 209y | 3 | Sweet Reward | 8st 11lbs | 10 of 10 | William Carver | 11/1 |
| towards rear, closer in mid-division out wide halfway, chased leaders over 3f out, hung right inside final 2f, soon weakened | |||||||||
| 12 May 2021 | York | Good to Soft | 1m 3f 188y | 4 | Flyin' Solo | 9st 3lbs | 16 of 20 | William Carver | 33/1 |
| always towards rear, never a factor | |||||||||
| 25 Nov 2020 | Kempton | Standard / Slow | 1m 2f 219y | 4 | No Nay Bella | 9st 8lbs | 3 of 9 | William Carver | 7/1 |
| mid-division, headway on inside chasing leaders over 2f out, ridden to challenge inside final furlong, kept on same pace in 3rd | |||||||||
| 28 Oct 2020 | Taunton | Good to Firm (Good in places) | 2m 104y | 3 | Rose To Fame | 10st 1lbs | 5 of 8 | Kielan Woods | 7/2 |
| held up in mid-division, took closer order 3 out, ridden before 2 out, plugged on one pace flat | |||||||||
| 15 Oct 2020 | Wincanton | Good to Firm (Good in places) | 1m 7f 65y | 3 | Thahab Ifraj | 10st | 3 of 9 | Lily Pinchin | 5/2 |
| held up towards rear, took closer order going well before 2 out, ridden for effort approaching last, ran on well flat | |||||||||
| 30 Sep 2020 | Nottingham | Good | 1m 2f 50y | 3 | Glen Force | 9st 5lbs | 6 of 11 | William Carver | 5/1 |
| held up towards rear, headway 2f out, ridden and kept on same pace final furlong | |||||||||
| 26 Sep 2020 | Haydock | Good (Good to soft in places) | 1m 3f 175y | 3 | Doubling Dice | 9st 8lbs | of 11 | Rob Hornby | 0/0 |
| NonRunner | |||||||||
| 11 Sep 2020 | Sandown | Good | 1m 1f 209y | 4 | Andaleep | 9st 4lbs | 1 of 14 | William Carver | 7/2 |
| held up towards rear, smooth headway on outside 2f out, went 2nd over 1f out, challenged and edged right entering final furlong, ridden to lead inside final furlong, stayed on well | |||||||||
| 22 Aug 2020 | Sandown | Good to Soft (Good in places) | 1m 1f 209y | 4 | Andaleep | 8st 9lbs | 1 of 13 | William Carver | 4/1 |
| held up in mid-division, smooth headway on outside over 2f out, quickened to lead over 1f out, soon clear, easily | |||||||||
| 02 Aug 2020 | Sandown | Good (Good to Firm in places) | 1m 1f 209y | 5 | Andaleep | 9st 8lbs | 1 of 13 | William Cox | 14/1 |
| tracked leaders, went 2nd 2f out, ridden to lead inside final 2f, edged left approaching final furlong, joined when hung right and bumped 2nd well inside final furlong, all out (finished 1st, disqualified and placed 2nd) | |||||||||
| 09 Jul 2020 | Chepstow | Good | 1m 14y | 5 | Song of The Isles | 9st 2lbs | 3 of 8 | George Rooke | 9/2 |
| raced towards far side, prominent, went 2nd over 1f out, no impression on winner, lost 2nd towards finish | |||||||||
| 17 Jun 2020 | Chelmsford City | Standard | 1m | 5 | Azets | 9st 4lbs | 3 of 9 | Rob Hornby | 9/2 |
| chased leaders, effort over 1f out, edged left entering final furlong, kept on | |||||||||
| 03 Jun 2020 | Kempton | Standard / Slow | 1m | 6 | Roller | 9st 4lbs | 2 of 12 | L P Keniry | 10/1 |
| chased leaders, driven and effort over 1f out, led entering final furlong, soon headed and not pace of winner, kept on | |||||||||
| 12 Dec 2019 | Chelmsford City | Standard | 1m 2f | 5 | Admodum | 9st 2lbs | 8 of 16 | B A Curtis | 8/1 |
| raced wide, chased leaders, ridden over 1f out, weakened final furlong | |||||||||
| 19 Nov 2019 | Chelmsford City | Standard | 1m 2f | 4 | Wimpole Hall | 8st 8lbs | 8 of 15 | Theodore Ladd | 12/1 |
| tracked leader, effort over 1f out, hung left inside final furlong, kept on same pace | |||||||||
| 30 Oct 2019 | Kempton | Standard / Slow | 1m | 5 | Choral Music | 9st 2lbs | 4 of 14 | L P Keniry | 20/1 |
| held up in mid-division, ridden 2f out, headway over 1f out, ran on inside final furlong, not reach leaders | |||||||||
| 02 Oct 2019 | Kempton | Standard / Slow | 1m 2f 219y | 4 | State Of Affair | 9st 1lbs | 8 of 11 | L P Keniry | 66/1 |
| behind, headway over 2f out, weakened final furlong | |||||||||
| 22 Sep 2019 | Plumpton | Good to Firm (Watered) | 1m 7f 195y | 5 | Magen's Moon | 10st 10lbs | UnseatedRider of 14 | Kielan Woods | 4/1 |
| mid-division on inside, blundered and unseated rider 5th | |||||||||
| 26 Aug 2019 | Cartmel | Good to Soft (Good in places) | 2m 1f 46y | 4 | Lady Shanawell | 10st 12lbs | 5 of 9 | Kielan Woods | 9/2 |
| tracked leader, led after 2 out, driven when hit last, soon headed, ridden and no impression with front pair turning in, weakened towards finish | |||||||||
| 04 Aug 2019 | Market Rasen | Good | 2m 148y | 3 | Maria Magdalena | 10st 12lbs | 4 of 14 | Lily Pinchin | 14/1 |
| chased leaders, hit 2 out, stayed on same pace | |||||||||
| 14 Jul 2019 | Stratford | Good (Good to Firm in places) | 2m 70y | 4 | What Will Be | 10st 12lbs | 6 of 13 | Kielan Woods | 25/1 |
| led until 5th, chased leader until 2 out, chased leaders, weakened between last 2 | |||||||||
| 21 Jun 2019 | Market Rasen | Good (Good to Soft in plaes) | 2m 148y | 4 | Whiskey And Water | 10st 12lbs | 8 of 10 | Kielan Woods | 10/1 |
| jumped left 1st and next, tracked leaders, dropped to mid-division 3rd, outpaced before 2 out, ridden and weakened flat | |||||||||
| 15 Aug 2018 | Gowran Park | Good to Firm (Good in places) | 7f | 0 | Facethepuckout | 9st 3lbs | 4 of 7 | D P McDonogh | 8/1 |
| soon in rear, slightly impeded approaching halfway, pushed along and headway straight, no extra from over 1f out | |||||||||
| 04 Aug 2018 | Galway | Soft | 7f | 0 | Rinty Maginty | 8st 11lbs | 7 of 9 | S P Davis | 10/1 |
| tracked leaders, bumped on bend after 2f, 5th halfway, pushed along and dropped to rear entering straight, no extra from over 1f out | |||||||||
| 07 Jul 2018 | Naas | Good to Firm (Firm in places) | 7f | 0 | Chicago May | 9st 5lbs | 7 of 12 | L F Roche | 11/2 |
| chased leaders in 4th, pushed along from 2f out and soon lost place, no extra and kept on same pace inside final furlong | |||||||||
| 25 May 2018 | Leopardstown | Good to Firm | 7f | 0 | Bold Approach | 9st 5lbs | 3 of 14 | L F Roche | 16/1 |
| chased leaders, 4th halfway, ridden in 3rd 2f out, under pressure 1f out, kept on same pace inside final furlong | |||||||||
| 11 Apr 2018 | Dundalk | Standard | 5f | 0 | Skitter Scatter | 9st 5lbs | 4 of 6 | D P McDonogh | 10/1 |
| dwelt, soon raced in 4th, pushed along over 2f out, soon switched right to outer, no impression over 1f out, soon no extra | |||||||||